Increasing Movement Speed - Guild Wars Forums

Sir Tidus · Jan 31, 2008, 04:12 AM // 04:12

Is increasing ur movement speed (using skills like sprint and rush) generally very helpful during a mission or combat situation? I mean, u only get to equip 8 skills, so would a kill like sprint be a waste to equip? I can't think of any common situation where it would be more useful than another skill that's actually combat related. What do u guys think? Thanks.

Songbringer · Jan 31, 2008, 04:16 AM // 04:16

For pvp having a run skill is nice for anti kite. But if you have a good snare or a kd its not a big deal really.

RPGmaniac · Jan 31, 2008, 04:19 AM // 04:19

For PvE though, a run skill generally isn't a very good idea for missions unless you want a way to get out quickly and save your party from wiping (best done with a reusable res such as rebirth or something). There are certain circumstances though where running is more preferable to fighting though.

Rothaga · Jan 31, 2008, 04:43 AM // 04:43

I would say no, I usually use h/h, and when I have an increased movespeed, I tend to use it as often as possible, then eventually i'll get too far ahead, and end up rushing into a big group of enemies way ahead of the h/h.

HawkofStorms · Jan 31, 2008, 05:58 AM // 05:58

Movement speed (or snares, a way to slow down your enemy) are very useful in Hard Mode PvE (accessable after you beat the game for the 1st time) since all the monsters run extra fast.

It is especially useful in PvP. See, casters in PvP move around constantly. That is because it slows down how fast a warrior/dervish/assassin can hit them. The attacker has to run, catch up to them, then hit them. If a caster is constantly moving, it significantly reduces how much damage those characters have to take. Thus why movement speed buffs can be useful.

Now in PvE, stuff USUALLY stands there and lets you wack away at it. There are situations where they won't however (certain monsters have better AI, attacking melee AI opponents who are aggroed onto a caster, a teammate is using an AoE designed to scatter, etc).

I Might Avenge U · Jan 31, 2008, 06:02 AM // 06:02

Well, Some skills like [skill]Natural Stride[/skill] offer a speed bonus, and a chance to block attacks which works as a good anti-aggro and utility skill.

Sometimes I'll bring a stance, but generally one that offers a blocking bonus as opposed to a speed bonus.

arsie · Jan 31, 2008, 06:09 AM // 06:09

Usually not, but some missions really help if you have a party speed boost like Charge! or Fall Back!

Such as Night Fall Challenge Missions, Dzagonur Bastion, Jennur's Horde. Also helps in some of the timed Faction missions, but not as much.

strcpy · Jan 31, 2008, 07:01 AM // 07:01

General PvE? No, I've never found a use for them. In any situation where I actually needed to catch something a snare worked just as well and was MUCH more generally useful. In any case I needed to kite normal speed worked and if I was under the effects of a snare none of the movement speed up's worked. True even in HM, while in HM I would occasionally run into a case where I wanted them it was still MUCH more limited in scope than taking a snare or other damage skill.

Of course, some specialized PvE they are vital - some farming builds depend on them and, obviously, runners tend to want increased speed. Especially as in Normal Mode that tends to break most aggro. Though I would add that is even *more* reason why it is not terribly useful in PvE - scatter is almost always a Bad Thing(TM).

Then there is the occasional place where I know I can avoid all but one or two fights and can run around everything - two warriors alternating "Charge" is quite nice there

I don't PvP - but even in my limited knowledge of it I can very much see where they are useful. You will have to listen to others for anything other than random ramblings that are only going to be partially correct.

arsie · Jan 31, 2008, 08:02 AM // 08:02

[skill]Enraging Charge[/skill], [skill]Dark Escape[/skill] and skills like them are also used (commonly?) in PvE, for melee characters to get into or out of combat faster. And as much for their other effects as the speed increase.

Speed increase alone does not quite justify a skill slot in a non-running build.

Sir Tidus · Jan 31, 2008, 11:12 PM // 23:12

Thanks a lot guy. Also, can anyone tell me how to kite? I keep hearing that it's useful in dodging attacks. However, wiki says that it's better to kite with the mouse than the keyboard. This doesn't make sense to me, since with the keyboard u can sidestep and backpaddle whereas with the mouse u would just turn toward a direction and run. So, is it better to use a keyboard or mouse to kite?

Fril Estelin · Jan 31, 2008, 11:18 PM // 23:18

Another skill that deals damage and has a speed buff: [skill]Flame Djinn's Haste[/skill]

MisterB · Jan 31, 2008, 11:20 PM // 23:20

Technically, mouse movement is faster for kiting. If you mouse-click to move, your character instantly turns that direction and runs forward to that spot. Running forward is faster than any other form of movement.
It doesn't really matter that much in PvE, to be honest. The only time you'll likely need that extra movement speed in PvE is dodging projectiles.

Sir Tidus · Jan 31, 2008, 11:38 PM // 23:38

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Originally Posted by MisterB

Technically, mouse movement is faster for kiting. If you mouse-click to move, your character instantly turns that direction and runs forward to that spot. Running forward is faster than any other form of movement.
It doesn't really matter that much in PvE, to be honest. The only time you'll likely need that extra movement speed in PvE is dodging projectiles.

But if u use the mouse, wouldn't it be considered fleeing, thus causing u to take more damage from warrior melee attacks?

RPGmaniac · Jan 31, 2008, 11:45 PM // 23:45

It doesn't matter. Those attacks figure in whether you are moving or not.

MisterB · Jan 31, 2008, 11:48 PM // 23:48

You're supposed to move before they reach you, not wait until they hit you first. If they are in melee range already, then you're half-right. You take criticals from melee when you are fleeing, but you can do all kinds of movement to avoid this, such as circle-strafing, side-stepping away facing at a 90 degree angle relative to your foe, etc.

Sir Tidus · Jan 31, 2008, 11:58 PM // 23:58

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Originally Posted by MisterB

but you can do all kinds of movement to avoid this, such as circle-strafing, side-stepping away facing at a 90 degree angle relative to your foe, etc.

These movements with the keyboard right? Cuz u can't strafe or sidestep with the mouse.

{IceFire} · Feb 01, 2008, 12:33 AM // 00:33

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Alex the Great · Feb 01, 2008, 12:39 AM // 00:39

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Originally Posted by {IceFire}

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Age · Feb 01, 2008, 03:16 AM // 03:16

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Originally Posted by RPGmaniac

For PvE though, a run skill generally isn't a very good idea for missions unless you want a way to get out quickly and save your party from wiping (best done with a reusable res such as rebirth or something). There are certain circumstances though where running is more preferable to fighting though.

I use sprint for that sole reason if I see if the party is going to be wiped I run out and then rebirth them I do this on my Warrior for the most part but can do it on my Monk.

It also cancels frenzy.

Jan 31, 2008, 04:12 AM // 04:12	#1
Sir Tidus Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2008	Increasing Movement Speed Is increasing ur movement speed (using skills like sprint and rush) generally very helpful during a mission or combat situation? I mean, u only get to equip 8 skills, so would a kill like sprint be a waste to equip? I can't think of any common situation where it would be more useful than another skill that's actually combat related. What do u guys think? Thanks.

Jan 31, 2008, 11:48 PM // 23:48	#15
MisterB Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy Guild: [ban] Profession: W/	You're supposed to move before they reach you, not wait until they hit you first. If they are in melee range already, then you're half-right. You take criticals from melee when you are fleeing, but you can do all kinds of movement to avoid this, such as circle-strafing, side-stepping away facing at a 90 degree angle relative to your foe, etc. Last edited by MisterB; Feb 01, 2008 at 05:38 AM // 05:38..

Jan 31, 2008, 04:16 AM // 04:16	#2
Songbringer Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: EastCoast Profession: E/Me	For pvp having a run skill is nice for anti kite. But if you have a good snare or a kd its not a big deal really.

Jan 31, 2008, 04:19 AM // 04:19	#3
RPGmaniac Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005	For PvE though, a run skill generally isn't a very good idea for missions unless you want a way to get out quickly and save your party from wiping (best done with a reusable res such as rebirth or something). There are certain circumstances though where running is more preferable to fighting though.

Jan 31, 2008, 04:43 AM // 04:43	#4
Rothaga Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2007 Profession: D/W	I would say no, I usually use h/h, and when I have an increased movespeed, I tend to use it as often as possible, then eventually i'll get too far ahead, and end up rushing into a big group of enemies way ahead of the h/h.

Jan 31, 2008, 05:58 AM // 05:58	#5
HawkofStorms Hall Hero Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: E/	Movement speed (or snares, a way to slow down your enemy) are very useful in Hard Mode PvE (accessable after you beat the game for the 1st time) since all the monsters run extra fast. It is especially useful in PvP. See, casters in PvP move around constantly. That is because it slows down how fast a warrior/dervish/assassin can hit them. The attacker has to run, catch up to them, then hit them. If a caster is constantly moving, it significantly reduces how much damage those characters have to take. Thus why movement speed buffs can be useful. Now in PvE, stuff USUALLY stands there and lets you wack away at it. There are situations where they won't however (certain monsters have better AI, attacking melee AI opponents who are aggroed onto a caster, a teammate is using an AoE designed to scatter, etc).

Jan 31, 2008, 06:02 AM // 06:02	#6
I Might Avenge U Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: California Profession: R/	Well, Some skills like [skill]Natural Stride[/skill] offer a speed bonus, and a chance to block attacks which works as a good anti-aggro and utility skill. Sometimes I'll bring a stance, but generally one that offers a blocking bonus as opposed to a speed bonus.

Jan 31, 2008, 06:09 AM // 06:09	#7
arsie Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2007 Profession: N/	Usually not, but some missions really help if you have a party speed boost like Charge! or Fall Back! Such as Night Fall Challenge Missions, Dzagonur Bastion, Jennur's Horde. Also helps in some of the timed Faction missions, but not as much.

Jan 31, 2008, 07:01 AM // 07:01	#8
strcpy Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: One of Many [ONE]	General PvE? No, I've never found a use for them. In any situation where I actually needed to catch something a snare worked just as well and was MUCH more generally useful. In any case I needed to kite normal speed worked and if I was under the effects of a snare none of the movement speed up's worked. True even in HM, while in HM I would occasionally run into a case where I wanted them it was still MUCH more limited in scope than taking a snare or other damage skill. Of course, some specialized PvE they are vital - some farming builds depend on them and, obviously, runners tend to want increased speed. Especially as in Normal Mode that tends to break most aggro. Though I would add that is even more reason why it is not terribly useful in PvE - scatter is almost always a Bad Thing(TM). Then there is the occasional place where I know I can avoid all but one or two fights and can run around everything - two warriors alternating "Charge" is quite nice there I don't PvP - but even in my limited knowledge of it I can very much see where they are useful. You will have to listen to others for anything other than random ramblings that are only going to be partially correct.

Jan 31, 2008, 08:02 AM // 08:02	#9
arsie Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2007 Profession: N/	[skill]Enraging Charge[/skill], [skill]Dark Escape[/skill] and skills like them are also used (commonly?) in PvE, for melee characters to get into or out of combat faster. And as much for their other effects as the speed increase. Speed increase alone does not quite justify a skill slot in a non-running build.

Jan 31, 2008, 11:12 PM // 23:12	#10
Sir Tidus Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2008	Thanks a lot guy. Also, can anyone tell me how to kite? I keep hearing that it's useful in dodging attacks. However, wiki says that it's better to kite with the mouse than the keyboard. This doesn't make sense to me, since with the keyboard u can sidestep and backpaddle whereas with the mouse u would just turn toward a direction and run. So, is it better to use a keyboard or mouse to kite?

Jan 31, 2008, 11:18 PM // 23:18	#11
Fril Estelin So Serious... Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: London Guild: Nerfs Are [WHAK] Profession: E/	Another skill that deals damage and has a speed buff: [skill]Flame Djinn's Haste[/skill]

Jan 31, 2008, 11:20 PM // 23:20	#12
MisterB Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy Guild: [ban] Profession: W/	Technically, mouse movement is faster for kiting. If you mouse-click to move, your character instantly turns that direction and runs forward to that spot. Running forward is faster than any other form of movement. It doesn't really matter that much in PvE, to be honest. The only time you'll likely need that extra movement speed in PvE is dodging projectiles.

Jan 31, 2008, 11:45 PM // 23:45	#14
RPGmaniac Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005	It doesn't matter. Those attacks figure in whether you are moving or not.

Feb 01, 2008, 12:33 AM // 00:33	#17
{IceFire} Forge Runner Join Date: Oct 2005 Profession: W/	[skill]enraging charge[/skill] + [skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill] ftw